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Post  Cyril0321 on 29/05/15, 10:28 pm

Hello,

I am sorry for putting you guys in this position. I realize that I haven't explored all my options before quitting Mabinogi completely. If I quit now I'll never find out if things will actually work out for me if I become part of this community. I do not know if being part of Dreams will give me back my sense of purpose in this game again, but I am willing to give it a chance if you are willing to give me the opportunity. So I'm asking if there is a possibility to open my application to Dreams again.


I know you guys have certain rules that you follow so I understand if this request cannot be done. Maybe I can join other guilds while I wait for another opportunity. But I don't know if I want to risk wasting my time on other options. Unfortunately, I will most likely continue with my decision to quit Mabinogi if this doesn't work out.

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Post  cassa on 30/05/15, 03:16 pm

I'm a little confused with what you mean here so forgive me if this comes off brash.

We usually have a 30 day period in which people must wait before applying again. However, in your case, there wasn't a decision made so it's really up to the ROs to decide this collectively. I'd suggest maybe talking to one of them to discuss your options there ^^.

I mean no offense by what's to come next.

I know this from personal experience but you have to be in it for you not for other people. I mean there's nothing that says you have to be in a guild to be friends with people either right? ^^! All I'm saying is that if you're deciding to re-join the game don't let Dreams be the reason to stay or leave. Do it for you.
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Post  Cyril0321 on 30/05/15, 04:37 pm

Hi Cassa,

I understand what you are saying about playing the game for myself not for other people. I do this for other games I am competitive in. But Mabinogi as an MMO has a different value for me. I have always enjoyed building my character here because it was significant to other people. Maybe it's just me, I enjoy Mabinogi for myself too, but I need another reason to build my character. For me, I also need to impact the community I like while I build my character. Otherwise, Mabinogi is not worth playing and does not have its value for me. If I have no other reason to build by character than for myself, I would rather enjoy my time in other games where it is more fun to play for myself.

I hope this clarifies my position on this.

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Post  Cyril0321 on 30/05/15, 04:47 pm

Sorry, regarding friends. It is true you do not need to be in a guild to be with friends. I do find purpose in having an impact on them. This has helped me stay in Mabi for about a month now. Unfortunately I still feel that this has not been enough to keep me here. Regrettably I still haven't felt immersed in a community as I did in the past so my sense of purpose in the game has been waning. I do not know if my interest in the game will continue to drop even if I am part of Dreams, but like I said I am willing to give this a chance before I completely quit.

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Post  Kostacious on 30/05/15, 06:16 pm

I had misgivings about coming back to Mabinogi as well. I literally applied to dreams the week i considered coming back to the game. Joining a guild helped a LOT with keeping me playing again tbh.
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Post  cassa on 30/05/15, 07:44 pm

So then if a majority of the guild happened to leave for another game and it left the game with maybe 2 or 3 people that still played would you leave because you no longer have your own purpose for playing? This happened before and it was very difficult in the beginning stages to get things back to a healthy level of activity. I don't want to see that happening again.
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Post  Cyril0321 on 30/05/15, 08:39 pm

lol well that has happened to Visions too more than once. Where a "majority of the guild would leave". During those times I felt it was even more important for me to stay. I know how difficult it is to recover from such losses and it is a big learning experience every time. I would rather not be in those situations again. I don't know if I would like to be involved if it does happen. But if I care enough about our community by then, you can be certain that you can count on me! xD

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Post  cassa on 31/05/15, 12:06 am

I appreciate your honesty. I know the ROs are looking at talking about your application at the moment just I think a few are away at the moment. Just thought I'd let you know in case you weren't in direct contact with them ^^.

If it does come to getting you to re-apply in 30 days would you be willing to see your way through on Mabinogi until that time comes? If so I'd personally like to try and connect with you to get to know you. I'm like an angry bulldog with a bone when it comes to Dreams sometimes, super protective, but I don't mean any real harm to anyone.
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Post  chance53 on 31/05/15, 08:52 am

I don't know if IV ever seen this type of situation before. I understand Cassas concern, but I also realize that sometimes feeling like you're apart of something can make it worth while to bring the motivation back. Like Kosty I also applied soon after I got back into the game and playing with other people who has similar goals and interests as I did made it a lot more worth while for me personally and helped me find new inspirations. Each of us have our own personal motivators. I hope you find out what you're looking for, wether it be in the guild should you get in or in another area of the game.

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Post  Cyril0321 on 31/05/15, 07:26 pm

Hi Cassa,

Thank you for your willingness to connect with me.

I would like to give myself every opportunity to come back to Mabi. Unfortunately I have a growing sense that all of this effort is not worth it. Everyday I feel even more discouraged to continue. It would be very difficult for me to re-apply in 30 days.

Kostacious and Chance. Thank you for understanding the importance of my decision.

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Post  Toshimitsu on 31/05/15, 07:59 pm

Reapplying to the guild and being accepted in was a big kickstart for me when I came back a few months ago. Albeit, Hayashida did return since I was considering coming back, but it was not enough for me to commit a full return. I do prefer the solo aspect of this game, but there is something about being in the guild that makes it a little more worth it to play.
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Post  Roxxaz on 31/05/15, 09:45 pm

Toshimitsu wrote:Reapplying to the guild and being accepted in was a big kickstart for me when I came back a few months ago. Albeit, Hayashida did return since I was considering coming back, but it was not enough for me to commit a full return. I do prefer the solo aspect of this game, but there is something about being in the guild that makes it a little more worth it to play.

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Post  Toshimitsu on 31/05/15, 10:22 pm

Roxxaz wrote:
Toshimitsu wrote:Reapplying to the guild and being accepted in was a big kickstart for me when I came back a few months ago. Albeit, Hayashida did return since I was considering coming back, but it was not enough for me to commit a full return. I do prefer the solo aspect of this game, but there is something about being in the guild that makes it a little more worth it to play.

Tin means because of me.

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Post  Keo on 31/05/15, 11:04 pm

Cyril-

Sorry I was gone for the weekend and was unavailable for comment on this until now. We had the opportunity to speak for a while after your decision to close your application and I was under the impression that you had in fact came to the conclusion that Mabi wasn't something that was realistic for you to put effort into at the time. In respects to that I then closed your app- as for rules regarding this people who have been denied/postpone/withdraw are asked to wait 30 days before they decide to reapply.

I do have some concerns however regarding a few of the things you have stated in this thread and hopefully they are concerns you can be understanding of.

I am concerned that you may be biting off more then you can chew in some ways. I can appreciate that coming back to a game after a long hiatus can be both over and underwhelming. The expectations, the drive, the motivation and clarity of the game and its objectives have varied vastly over the years and it is not the same as it was when you were around. I think that these changes are things you may be having a hard time approaching and finding motivation to continue to pursue. I also believe that you're unsure of whether or not this game holds the same sentiment you felt for it previously and I think having friends here makes it a bit harder to just walk away from - naturally. All of these things plus feeling a lost sense of purpose seems to be having a negative impact on you and your outlook towards Mabi I believe.

Aside from all the concerns mentioned above in regard to your well being from the guilds perspective there is also the concern that you stated you'd like to be given a chance to see if Dreams is something you want to be apart of or can come to care for enough to motivate you staying around. The reality is people come and go and there are quiet times often as people are occupied with their lives and their own personal journeys outside of the game. That being said we are also a guild that have a lot of independent players and while we help each other time to time nobody really depends on another in a needful way in the guild- we work hard and turn around to re-contribute back to the community when the opportunity is present.

I don't believe that Dreams is a guild to "test-run" before making a decision as important as quitting. We can not be a deciding factor or a crutch for anyone in that regard- though we are honored to have members that would say that the guild has made that difference for themselves in similar situations.

I think you may just need a bit of time to clarify for yourself- your situation, your intentions and goal setting. See if this is someplace you do want to invest your time in because if you're unsure of that- you may second think anything else afterwards and that can have a negative impact on not just you but your choices with the game as well. We aren't going anywhere and appreciate your consideration as a guild to make home, and look forward to seeing you reapply when you have a clearer image of what you see for yourself and "Cyril" in the present. You may reapply in 30 days. Thank you for your patience and understanding with this situation.
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Post  Cyril0321 on 01/06/15, 05:11 am

Hi Keo,

Thank you for replying.

Sorry but how can I "see if this is someplace I want to invest my time in" if I won't have the opportunity to be a part of this community. My viewpoint is limited from outside the guild. Even after a month from now I will probably be just as unsure about Dreams as I am today.

About believing that Dreams should not be a deciding factor for someone quitting. Unfortunately I strongly disagree. Guilds hold influence and are the building blocks of the Mabi community. It is really hard to imagine how guilds, especially a well-known guild such as Dreams cannot be a deciding factor for people quitting. Even individuals have an impact. You cannot pretend that you have no weight in someone`s decision to leave the community. Guilds and individuals do impact others even if they don`t want to.

Anyway, after some insight on my "friends" combined with this decision, there is no longer a difficult decision for me to make. It is sad to say, but I no longer have anyone that can make my time in Mabi meaningful. So this is goodbye again (this time I am sure!). It was fun while it lasted though. =P

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Post  Keo on 01/06/15, 09:18 am

I'm sorry that you feel that way and I don't know the exact way to convey what I am trying to say but it isn't that we "can't" be a deciding factor but rather we don't want to become the only factor either. We appreciate and enjoy seeing people driven and motivated to want to achieve, who have goals and plans set out for themselves as well as a genuine like for the game and want to invest the time in their character and in Mabi. As I had mentioned for the people who feel we did make that difference for we are very honored to have been able to do that with or for them.

You would have been welcome to continue to join us on runs and be around us- that I believe is a good start in getting to know the people you intend to put yourself around and in the company of.

I still feel like you just had a few uncertainties you may not have been able to work out for yourself and it is sad to hear that you are yet again stepping away from the Mabi community but if that is your choice I respect it and wish you the best on your journey in life and any other game you see fit to invest your time enjoying. Take care Cyril.
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Post  Cyril0321 on 03/06/15, 12:35 pm

Hello,

Just want to make a post to clarify "uncertainties".

Unfortunately I am certain that I am quitting Mabinogi for the time being.

If there are any doubts on Keo or Dreams' decision. Forget about it. If Keo makes a decision you better fking believe it. I hated people doubting my decisions even though it was on the rules. Maybe it's just because of how society tends to doubt women's decisions?

I also am certain that I will be lurking this forums every now and then. So even if you don't see me in game, you'll probably notice me here.

That is all. Thank you.

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Post  Keo on 03/06/15, 01:45 pm

Thank you for your opinions and your more then welcome to stay on the forums and around, I'll lock this for now and hope to see you around here if not in the game again soon ^^.
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